that. I don't think Lee was interested in weapons for the same reason I was. I mean, I like weapons because I like mechanics. I like anything you can take apart and especially weapons, and I've always liked reading about the history of different guns, and I have often thought about what could have happened in a situation had they had this weapon or that weapon, you know more modern weapons than the ones they did have. I don't think Lee was interested in the history of any weapons. For example, he wanted a pistol, but it just seemed like he wanted the pistol just to have one, not for any purposes of collecting them or anything.

I also like sport cars. You've heard of people who like mechanics and cars. I wanted them for a purpose, whereas Lee would be inclined to want something just to have it, I think.

Mr. Jenner. Did you have an interest in automobiles at that time?

Mr. Voebel. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner. Did Lee?

Mr. Voebel. No.

Mr. Jenner. You couldn't interest him in that?

Mr. Voebel. No; I was interested in a lot of things. I had taken music, and I liked automobiles, and I collected weapons, just a lot of things, and Lee didn't share any of that with me, because his interests didn't seem to run that way.

Mr. Jenner. Was he interested in music?

Mr. Voebel. No; he wasn't.

Mr. Jenner. Do you know whether he knew how to operate an automobile?

Mr. Voebel. I never had seen him drive at all.

Mr. Jenner. Did you ever discuss the subject with him?

Mr. Voebel. Not that I can remember.

Mr. Jenner. What was your impression as to whether he could drive or couldn't drive an automobile?

Mr. Voebel. I don't think he could drive. The only thing I think he was interested in besides reading, that I could gather, was one day he went fishing and he caught a whole bunch of little fish in City Park. They were no bigger than that.

Mr. Jenner. Almost minnows?

Mr. Voebel. Right, and I think he liked to fish.

Mr. Jenner. Did he talk about fishing?

Mr. Voebel. Well, not as fishermen do, but I could tell that he enjoyed fishing, at least that day. I do know that he did go fishing, although I don't know how often, but I know he bought a whole rig and went fishing that day.

Mr. Jenner. What did you observe as to his financial circumstances?

Mr. Voebel. Financial circumstances?

Mr. Jenner. Yes; as to his home and his dress, and his means as to his finances.

Mr. Voebel. Poor.

Mr. Jenner. Poor?

Mr. Voebel. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. And you were reasonably well fixed; isn't that right?

Mr. Voebel. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. And you did notice by contrast that he was a poor boy?

Mr. Voebel. Right.

Mr. Jenner. That made no difference to you?

Mr. Voebel. Not a bit. That's another thing about me. It doesn't matter whether a friend of mine has money or not. Some of my best friends are very poor, and I also have rich friends, but that doesn't matter to me. It's just the individual person. I don't belong to any cliques. I don't fraternize with any type of group that bands together because of some class reason or anything like that. I like people because of maybe an interest that is similar to mine, someone that I have a more or less common understanding with on different subjects that I am interested in. I don't go for these people that belong to clubs or groups like that, because I don't have the time.

Mr. Jenner. Are you married?

Mr. Voebel. No.

Mr. Jenner. When did you get out of the service?

Mr. Voebel. Two years ago. I just served 6 months.

Mr. Jenner. That's a sort of special program?

Mr. Voebel. Yes; 6 months in the Reserves.

Mr. Jenner. Then you have to serve 2 weeks each year; is that right?

Mr. Voebel. Right. This year we are going to meet at the Brooklyn Army Terminal and also take in the World's Fair?

Mr. Jenner. Tell me more about your association with Oswald. You say you played darts with him and you would go to the poolroom beneath the apartment where he lived and shoot pool with him?

Mr. Voebel. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Did you boys hang around the poolroom after you would shoot pool?

Mr. Voebel. No; nothing like that. We would go down and play two or three games, and then I had to go because it would be getting late in the day. You see, that would be after my music lesson, so after a couple of games I would leave and go on home. We didn't hang around at all. For one thing, I had so many things to do. I had my music lessons and my schoolwork, and with my folks in business, I had to help them out in the shop, so my time was pretty scarce at that time.

Mr. Jenner. Did Lee ever own a weapon?

Mr. Voebel. A real one?

Mr. Jenner. Yes.

Mr. Voebel. Not that I know of.

Mr. Jenner. Now, you emphasized that word "real." Is there something there that you want to tell me about?

Mr. Voebel. Well, he did own a plastic model of a .45.

Mr. Jenner. A plastic model?

Mr. Voebel. Yes; and he showed that to me. I guess you want to know now about his plan for this robbery. Actually I wasn't too much impressed with the whole idea at first, because I had heard so much talk about stealing and robbing and things like that, that it really didn't bother me until he did shock me one day when he came up with a whole plan and everything that he needed for a burglary, you see.

Mr. Jenner. Tell me about that.

Mr. Voebel. Well, we were over at Easton.

Mr. Jenner. Easton High School?

Mr. Voebel. Yes; we were over there for some program that they were putting on for junior-high people, acquainting them with the high school.

Mr. Jenner. Was that right at the time you were graduating from Beauregard?

Mr. Voebel. Right.

Mr. Jenner. And he was preparing to graduate at the same time from Beauregard; right?

Mr. Voebel. I think so.

Mr. Jenner. Wasn't there a period when he dropped out of Beauregard altogether?

Mr. Voebel. I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner. Or was that at Easton?

Mr. Voebel. I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner. You don't remember that?

Mr. Voebel. No.

Mr.