Jenner. What do you mean by that expression, "mamma's boy"?

Mr. Voebel. Well, that's just an expression that was used at that time.

Mr. Jenner. Was it used with respect to Lee and his mother?

Mr. Voebel. No; never. He was no mamma's boy.

Mr. Jenner. Well, did you have the impression that his mother was often indulgent toward him?

Mr. Voebel. In one way; yes.

Mr. Jenner. In which way was that?

Mr. Voebel. Well, if he wanted something, no matter what it was, she would always seem willing to go out of her way to get it for him. Even if she couldn't afford it, she would try to get it for him. Of course, if there was something he wanted and she didn't think it was good for him, I don't know about that; I don't have any recollection of anything like that, but I know she did everything she could for Lee, and maybe he didn't always show his appreciation the way other kids would, but that's just the way he was.

Mr. Jenner. What sort of impression did you have of Lee's attitude as to his lot in life, in other words, whether he felt that since his father died so young, and he had, I mean Lee, had received a bad deal in life. What was his attitude about that, if any?

Mr. Voebel. Well, I think he was impressed with the fact that his father had died at a young age, and that he never got to know his father. I think that left a mark on him, but I don't think that's unusual in itself. I think there were times when you could see he felt bad because he didn't have a father, but he never actually talked about that. Lee didn't talk too much, even when we were at Beauregard together.