you recall who they were?

Chief Batchelor. No; I don't recall who they were now. It was a rather casual request. They asked, or they said, rather, that they were hungry and hadn't had anything to eat and they wanted to go out to dinner, and they didn't want to miss anything if we were going to move the prisoner. And I told them I had no idea when they were going to move the prisoner.

About that time Chief Curry came up and he told them, he said, "Oh, I think if you fellows are back here by 10 o'clock in the morning you won't miss anything."

So they left with that and went to eat.

Mr. Griffin. Were there any other reporters around at that time?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir. Then later, just a very few minutes later, Chief Curry decided, well, he might tell the rest of the people out in the hall so they won't be hanging around, because they were apparently doing nothing, just waiting. So he went out and told them that if they would come back by 10 o'clock in the morning, they were not going to move the prisoner in the meantime.

Mr. Griffin. Did you talk with Chief Curry after he first spoke to these two newspaper reporters?

Chief Batchelor. You mean with reference to the movement of the prisoner?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Chief Batchelor. He told me that he didn't know exactly when they would move him, but he thought homicide bureau was about through with questioning him, but he knew that Captain Fritz wanted to question him again in the morning, and that after he had questioned him, why, we would move him.

Mr. Griffin. Where did that conversation take place?

Chief Batchelor. In the administrative offices. One thing I think I omitted. From the time that he told these reporters that if they were to come back by 10 o'clock in the morning, he didn't think they would miss anything, he went in and discussed it with Captain Fritz as to how he was progressing with the interrogation and whether or not he thought he would be through with him in the morning.

Mr. Griffin. You mean this was between the time he——

Chief Batchelor. Before he went out and announced it to the rest of the press.

Mr. Griffin. About how much time elapsed, would you say, from the time he talked to the two reporters and the time he made the general announcement?

Chief Batchelor. Oh, I would estimate maybe 30 minutes; no longer.

Mr. Griffin. Now, in between times, did he talk with you about the movement?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin. Afterwards, did he talk with you about the proposed movement?

Chief Batchelor. You mean the mechanics of moving him?

Mr. Griffin. Anything?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin. What was the next thing you learned about the proposed movement of Oswald?

Chief Batchelor. I just assumed that we would move him the next morning sometime after 10 o'clock. I didn't know exactly when, and I came down the next morning around 8 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin. Did you learn anything about the movement between the time Chief Curry made the general announcement to the press and the time that you went home that night?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin. Was there any conversation around the building?

Chief Batchelor. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Griffin. Was there anybody else present from the police department when you talked with the two newspaper reporters?

Chief Batchelor. There were some secretaries in the office. This was not addressed to me particularly. They might have overheard it. We were in the office, in the outer office nearest Chief Curry's office at this time, and I believe Mrs. Ann Schreiber was holding down that desk.

Mr. Griffin. What time did you leave the police department on Saturday night or Sunday morning?

Chief Batchelor. It was, I believe, on Saturday night, or Sunday morning. It was around midnight. It wasn't quite as late as it was the night before when I left.

Mr. Griffin. So would it be your estimate that about 4 hours elapsed between the chief's press conference and the time you left?

Chief Batchelor. I would say maybe not quite that long, but that is not too far off.

Mr. Griffin. Chief, maybe this will help you a little bit to refresh your recollection.

Chief Batchelor. I want to take that back. It was earlier than that when I left there on Saturday night. It was quite late on Friday night, but it was around 9:30 when I left Saturday night.

Mr. Griffin. Are you referring to this, correcting this estimate? Are you referring to this report dated November 23d?

Chief Batchelor. I think the times in this are fairly accurate.

Mr. Griffin. Chief, I want to hand you what has already been marked for identification as Stevenson Exhibit 5053. Can you identify that?

Chief Batchelor. Yes. This was a report signed by myself, Chief Lumpkin, and Chief Stevenson which was the result of a staff résumé made within a few days after Oswald was shot.

It was for the purpose of bringing together the facts and times and elements of events in a chronological order as we all remembered them. Some of the times, particularly with reference to the President's arrival, which had to do with meeting with some Secret Service people and other groups, and some of this we were a little bit hazy on at first and we went back and checked some facts.

As an example, we checked the Baker Hotel schedule on a room that was reserved for a meeting that was held, so we could be sure what time this meeting was, and things of that nature.

Mr. Griffin. I see. The members of the police department held a meeting at the Baker Hotel sometime over the weekend?

Chief Batchelor. No. The hostess committee of the city which was hosting the President's arrival and arranging for the luncheon, it was kind of a planning committee, and we were asked, or I was asked to one of these meetings with some of the Secret Service people.

So this was a reference point for some of our thinking when this happened that we could relate some other things.

Mr. Griffin. Now your report indicates that you left Saturday night at 9:30 p.m. Between the time that Chief Curry made his announcement to the press and you left at 9:30 p.m., were you confronted by any other newspaper people about the movement of Oswald?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir. As a matter of fact, we left not too long after this because after this announcement was made, the press began to leave themselves. The third floor became fairly quiet and there wasn't anybody up there to speak of and it just died out.

Mr. Griffin. Were you confronted by anybody after the chief made his announcement with respect to Oswald?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir; not that I